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I know everyone is already talking about it...
October 2nd 2003, 20:15 CEST by Matt Perkins

HL2 source has been released...er, leaked.  Or at least something that is proven as a reasonable facsimile.

This is bad, right?

Or is it only bad for valve?  Sure, cheaters might get a step up on the hacking side, but valve or something will counter them with something else.  And you shouldn't play on unmoderated servers anyway.

The good would be that every FPS out there that wants to see how Valve did such and such, they can now look and figure it out.  This will make better games for us, the general gamer, public, no?  As someone mentioned on Qt3, DNF just got a lot closer to releasing...



This is does not mean I don't think the 'leaker' should be prosecuted or whatever, because this may end up costing Valve a lot of money, which just ain't right.
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#43 by Shadarr
2003-10-02 22:02:05
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I thought they went back and said that LAN games didn't need to have Steam authentication?


Did they?  Last I heard it was "If you so much as think about multiplayer Steam will install itself and reconfigure your machine to suit its own needs."
#44 by Dethstryk
2003-10-02 22:03:26
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Hrmf. This is the problem with HL2; Valve isn't controlling the rumors at all with at least an attempt to set some issues straight.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#45 by ProStyle
2003-10-02 22:05:48
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
I think they'll have them pretty well under control when the game is released.

I'm like a quote out of context...
#46 by Gunp01nt
2003-10-02 22:09:12
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Warren:
This would undoubtably push back the release date (whatever it currently is) by at least a month.


the plot comes together.

Little things like the apocalyptic extinction of all human life tend to make nuclear war a tad less necessary.
#47 by Darkseid-D
2003-10-02 22:50:43
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could take you under the table
David Hume could out-consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as sloshed as Schlegel
There's nothing Nietszche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist
Socrates himself was permanently pissed
John Stuart Mill of his own free will
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill
Plato they say could stick it away
Half a crate of whiskey every day
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
Hobbes was fond of his Dram
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart
"I drink, therefore I am !"
Yes Socrates himself is particularly missed
A lovely little thinker
But a bugger when he's pissed.


oh and heres a freebie magazine link - http://www.magazine-city.net/razor/razor.asp

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#48 by Squeaky
2003-10-02 22:53:29
#47 Darkseid-D
oh and heres a freebie magazine link - http://www.magazine-city.net/razor/razor.asp

Well that doesn't help now us non Yanks does it?


What is Razor? Does the warez group have it's own magazine now?

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#49 by The_Joker
2003-10-02 23:18:12
http://www.jackinworld.com
I'll bet anyone 50 bucks that DNF's source code and content gets leaked before it, if ever, ships.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka

PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done".
#50 by The_Joker
2003-10-02 23:19:23
http://www.jackinworld.com
and now, for my daily wank session...

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka

PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done".
#51 by Ashiran
2003-10-02 23:38:34
You only have one wank session? Or does it last all day?

AND DON'T ADD A SMILEY AFTER EVERY GODDAMN THING YOU SAY!
#52 by "wabut"
2003-10-02 23:44:08
wabut@yahoo.com http://jove.prohosting.com/~datafox
official statement from gabe via shugashack via halflife2forums -> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/28619
#53 by Neale
2003-10-02 23:45:44
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
From Gabe:

Ever have one of those weeks? This has just not been the best couple of days
for me or for Valve.

Yes, the source code that has been posted is the HL-2 source code.

Here is what we know:

1) Starting around 9/11 of this year, someone other than me was accessing my
email account. This has been determined by looking at traffic on our email
server versus my travel schedule.

2) Shortly afterwards my machine started acting weird (right-clicking on
executables would crash explorer). I was unable to find a virus or trojan on
my machine, I reformatted my hard drive, and reinstalled.

3) For the next week, there appears to have been suspicious activity on my
webmail account.

4) Around 9/19 someone made a copy of the HL-2 source tree.

5) At some point, keystroke recorders got installed on several machines at
Valve. Our speculation is that these were done via a buffer overflow in
Outlook's preview pane. This recorder is apparently a customized version of
RemoteAnywhere created to infect Valve (at least it hasn't been seen
anywhere else, and isn't detected by normal virus scanning tools).

6) Periodically for the last year we've been the subject of a variety of
denial of service attacks targetted at our webservers and at Steam. We don't
know if these are related or independent.

Well, this sucks.

What I'd appreciate is the assistance of the community in tracking this
down. I have a special email address for people to send information to,
helpvalve@valvesoftware.com. If you have information about the denial of
service attacks or the infiltration of our network, please send the details.
There are some pretty obvious places to start with the posts and records in
IRC, so if you can point us in the right direction, that would be great.

We at Valve have always thought of ourselves as being part of a community,
and I can't imagine a better group of people to help us take care of these
problems than this community.

Gabe


__________________
Gabe Newell

You can't derail this train of idiocy, Shadarr. Not even with a big fat cow of logic on the tracks. - Bailey
#54 by Dumdeedum
2003-10-02 23:46:35
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Gabe Newell appears to have confirmed that it is the HL2 source, he also seems to have appended some sort of conspiracy theory to the end of his post...

Studies have shown that I'm right.
#55 by Dumdeedum
2003-10-02 23:46:56
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Buggering fuck.

Studies have shown that I'm right.
#56 by Warren Marshall
2003-10-02 23:48:20
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
So has Gabe confirmed this yet?

Respawn Games
Open your mind, let the beatings begin.
#57 by Dethstryk
2003-10-02 23:48:53
jemartin@tcainternet.com
The source, or the SDK? I have someone from VU telling me it's the SDK, and Gabe's wording (the HL2 source) makes me think it's the SDK as well.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#58 by Neale
2003-10-02 23:51:20
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
It's the full source, not the SDK.

You can't derail this train of idiocy, Shadarr. Not even with a big fat cow of logic on the tracks. - Bailey
#59 by Dethstryk
2003-10-02 23:51:40
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Well, I don't think the SDK would have rendering routines or low-level BSP stuff, huh? Nevermind.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#60 by Dethstryk
2003-10-02 23:51:48
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Damnit, Neale.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#61 by Squeaky
2003-10-02 23:52:34
So does anybody know what the status of the leak is? Is it full source or just the SDK?

The reason of your unreasonable usage of my reason, does so enfeeble my reason, that I have reason to expostulate with your beauty.
DVDs
#62 by Dethstryk
2003-10-02 23:53:09
jemartin@tcainternet.com
I heard that it was the SDK with child porn as file padding.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#63 by Gunp01nt
2003-10-02 23:58:50
supersimon33@hotmail.com
4) Around 9/19 someone made a copy of the HL-2 source tree.


who wants to bet that this is the reason for the delay?

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#64 by broken
2003-10-03 00:07:15
broken@vampn.com
"1) Starting around 9/11 of this year, someone other than me was accessing my
email account."

Check out the date... Can we blame the terrorists for this? Maybe the terrorists got pissed at Valve for killing their CounterStrike hacks?
#65 by yotsuya
2003-10-03 00:07:36
So has Gabe confirmed that it's the full version with neuters?

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#66 by Leslie Nassar
2003-10-03 00:07:45
http://departmentofinternets.com
Who wants to bet that the reason for the delay is because it wasn't finished yet?

"There are design firms out there that could come up with things we've never thought of," Jobs continued, "things that would make you shit in your pants."
#67 by yotsuya
2003-10-03 00:09:38
Leslie-

That theory, while probably true, isn't sexy enough. Suspicious hacks around 9/11 are a guaranteed 40 share and million dollar movie rights on CBS. I can see it now "Taking Steam from The Valve: The Half Life 2/Jessica Lynch Story".

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#68 by Gunp01nt
2003-10-03 00:15:09
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Who wants to bet that the reason for the delay is because it wasn't finished yet?


that's the point. They'd been working on it for five years. they probably had a good lookout on when the game would be finished by the time they announced it earlier this year. That was the whole point of the 'radio silence > mass bombardment' strategy. So a half year before the release they're confident that they're gonna make the release date. only a week before the release date, they delay the game.

I find it hard to believe that Valve would only realise a week in advance that they need an x number of extra months for development. If a development delay (of several months, no less) would be necessary, they would've known a longer time ago.

The fact that the delay was announced so shortly after the source steal (and so close to the original release date) makes me wonder.

As for the question: "how about they did know it would have to be delayed, but just kept a lid on it?"... that wouldn't help them. I don't think I have to explain why announcing a delay only a week before release is bad, and I don't think Valve would do it willingly. They probably know it's bad practice and are only doing it because they have to. Because 'external factors' are fucking with the game's development, something they couldn't foresee.

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#69 by Dethstryk
2003-10-03 00:16:14
jemartin@tcainternet.com
What exactly is the source tree?

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#70 by yotsuya
2003-10-03 00:17:06
Gabe keeps going to it for ideas. Take my branches, Gabe, and make yourself sheets of paper to print the manual on.

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#71 by Leslie Nassar
2003-10-03 00:17:50
http://departmentofinternets.com
You know, Mars is really close to the Earth at the moment.  Closer than it has been in quite some time.  Perhaps Martians are exploiting their homeworld's close proximity and our interstellar complacency?

"There are design firms out there that could come up with things we've never thought of," Jobs continued, "things that would make you shit in your pants."
#72 by Trolly McTroll
2003-10-03 00:18:09
Deth, probably a source safe structure that held all the source files for visual studio.  Someone copied all that groovy goodness.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#73 by Leslie Nassar
2003-10-03 00:23:37
http://departmentofinternets.com
Dear Valve,

Want to find out who stole your code?  Offer a bounty.

Love, Leslie.

"There are design firms out there that could come up with things we've never thought of," Jobs continued, "things that would make you shit in your pants."
#74 by G-Man
2003-10-03 00:24:51
I wonder if the book about HL2 development will be revised to include the back story on this. Should make for a very interesting read. Also I imagine Havok isn't too happy about their physics engine being released out there in the open.
#75 by mgns
2003-10-03 00:25:43
The Martians demands co-op!

Turn out the light, bolt the door.
I ain't going out there no more.
#76 by Huge Wood Farmer
2003-10-03 00:26:03
GIMMIE BACK MY SON!

Hooray for Flowerpants!
#77 by Trolly McTroll
2003-10-03 00:26:45
It's the real deal.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#78 by Shadarr
2003-10-03 00:33:44
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
The Martians would've been better off warezing the release copy off usenet like everyone else.
#79 by Dethstryk
2003-10-03 00:40:27
jemartin@tcainternet.com
Why would Havok give the source to Valve? I thought Havok worked basically with a black box design.

sunny days have funny ways of quieting the roar
#80 by Leslie Nassar
2003-10-03 00:47:02
http://departmentofinternets.com
no, Havok worked with Wolverine.

"There are design firms out there that could come up with things we've never thought of," Jobs continued, "things that would make you shit in your pants."
#81 by Gunp01nt
2003-10-03 00:51:36
supersimon33@hotmail.com
halflife2.net has been down for a couple of hours but is sorta back up now. they say it's because they're adding content but an hour ago it had a couple of MySQL errors on it, so the downtime might just as well be caused due to overload or yet another job of Valve's virtual poltergeist.

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#82 by jjohnsen
2003-10-03 02:00:59
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Havok was always the ignored brother of X-men's leader.
#83 by jjohnsen
2003-10-03 02:01:18
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Damn you Leslie.
#84 by yotsuya
2003-10-03 02:02:10
Jeremy-

He posted that almost an hour and a half ago. Get with it!

"YES!!  You see people, THAT'S why he's the Vice-President of A/V Services here at Respawn Games.  Yotsuya ALWAYS unleashes the fucking fury!" - Warren Marshall
#85 by jjohnsen
2003-10-03 02:11:06
http://www.johnsenclan.com
My page was sitting open and I continued reading without refreshing.  I suck.
#86 by Gabe
2003-10-03 02:52:56
http://www.dartpublishing.com
I wish you people would stop talking about me.
#87 by mgns
2003-10-03 03:09:18
Someone please remind me why Panic Room is supposed to suck? I just saw it again, second time. First time was when it opened in cinemas. I kinda liked it then, but this time around it grew several sizes on me, I love it. Beautifully shot, Jodie Foster and bickering amateur thieves - it's great!
The only gripe is I can't figure out why the cops came back for the grand finale, it's three in the morning and I'm really tired so I could have missed it... Also, the lack of Maynard is disturbing.

Ok, I'm done. As you were...

Turn out the light, bolt the door.
I ain't going out there no more.
#88 by mgns
2003-10-03 03:10:34
I need a stronger punctuation-pill. This one isn't working at all...

Turn out the light, bolt the door.
I ain't going out there no more.
#89 by G-Man
2003-10-03 03:50:52
So American McGee's got a new company huh?
#90 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-10-03 03:55:59
erictcheng@hotmail.com
So American McGee's got a new company huh?


Carbon 6 has been around for a while now.

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#91 by BobJustBob
2003-10-03 03:59:01
Panic Room is supposed to suck? Bullshit.

Voices tell me I'm the shit.
<Whisp> BJB is a troll. <Whisp> Troll I say!
#92 by G-Man
2003-10-03 04:13:42
From Bluesnews:
One time id designer American McGee, now signing off as "Creative Director (of) The Mauretania Import Export Co" sends word that they are holding a Video Game Casting Call for game players from southern California as they conduct open casting for a video game television show. He says: "think 'iron chef' meets 'jackass' meets head-to-head gaming."
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