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I want a game discussion for a change.
April 16th 2003, 12:10 CEST by Charles

Let's talk about Deus Ex 2 or something.  Jesus fuck I'm tired of blabhlabhlahblahblahbalhb in everythread.  How about Planetside?  Or this.  Or we can talk about how the PS2's online is suffering due to cheating.  Maybe Microsoft's central servers and subscription service weren't a half bad idea.  We could talk about Soul Calibur 2 now that the import is available.  It's a lot of fun.  It's like Soul Calibur, except there is more!  Or maybe we could talk about how MGS2: Substance for the PC was only shipped on DVD media.  Do you like top down shooters?  Ikaruga is out for the Gamecube.  If you didn't play it for Dreamcast 6 months ago, it's worth checking out now.  Did anyone else finish Xenosaga?  Lots to talk about there.  Hey, we could talk about how Sony is releasing a new PS2 that's supposed to work more often than not.  Star Wars Galaxies has been delayed till June according to EB Games, leaving fanbois foaming at the mouth.  Anyone surprised about that?  Did you know that if your PS2 is having problems reading blue discs you can fix it with tape?  I'm not sure anyone mentioned that Gamecube sales are coming in just under half the expected numbers.  Of course, they've sold more GBAs than expected.  What do you think is going to be shown at E3?  Rumors are flying everywhere about everything, lets hear some of your ideas.  The one I like most is about a PS2 Castlevania.  I'm hoping for more info on Halo 2 as well.  

See?  We can still talk about games here.
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#73 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 19:26:17
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Regarding the school, what are the cons?  Sounds like an easy choice to me.
#74 by LPMiller
2003-04-16 19:26:25
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
And if you are ever in Phoenix and want to teach/guest speak, my door is always open to you.


You'll be the first I contact when I put the finishing touches on my 5 hour seminar, "Donkey Punching Your Way to Financial Success"

I believe I can fly......urk.
#75 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:26:54
www.bluh.org
Hey, quit demeaning my industry!

Entertainment is far more important than sciences!

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#76 by Ashiran
2003-04-16 19:29:28
I don't really care what they are going to show at E3 as long as a substantial number of those games has beam weapons.

#77 by Greg
2003-04-16 19:29:33
#70 Charles

Word is that the PC version of the Matrix game will ship on 6 CDs. SIX.

You know, I find that kind of wacky, no one really complained about Baldur's Gate needing 5 CDs.

I was annoyed at BG needing 5 CDs, especially with the crummy packaging that scratched up the discs. Unlike this Matrix game, there eventually was a DVD version of BG. Too bad it wasn't released simultaneously...

blah blah bleh
#78 by LPMiller
2003-04-16 19:29:36
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
If not for science, entertainment would consist of throwing rocks at other rocks to see if they break.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#79 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:33:33
www.bluh.org
If not for science, entertainment would consist of throwing rocks at other rocks to see if they break.


Actually... that's pretty close to science.

Yeah greg, the packaging sucked, blame interplay, they shipped a lot their crap in shitty cardboard sleeves.  Still, there wasn't all that much complaining from people about it.  The complaints consisted more about the fact that the game at 2 gigs of harddrive space at a time when people were using 5 gig drives.

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#80 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:34:51
www.bluh.org
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Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#81 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 19:35:35
Shad (et all)

The Cons:

-Since it's a charter school, the pay is not high. Financially, it's a lateral move.
-Added responsibilities and time commitment
-Lack of resources (school is only 2 years old)
-Crowded facilities
-I would be giving up 7 years of vested time in my current district
-Leaving behind friendships

The Pros:
-New Challenge
-Different educational role
-Know the community
-Could build a lot of programs I have always wanted to build
-Opportunity to be principal in a few years

I'll probably go, but I want to be sure.

English Teacher/Vice-President of A/V Services, Respawn Games
#82 by Ergo
2003-04-16 19:37:01
#70 Charles
Word is that the PC version of the Matrix game will ship on 6 CDs. SIX.


You know, I find that kind of wacky, no one really complained about Baldur's Gate needing 5 CDs.

I bought the DVD version when Interplay offered it.

Unneeded Editor -- Respawn Games

DVDs
#83 by Your Friend
2003-04-16 19:37:07
I'm speaking out of my ass with nothing to back me up here (what else is new), but I'd guess Half-Life 2 will not have Doom3 level tech.  Considering how widely adopted Half-Life was -- in part because the system requirements were reasonable (even at time of release), I can't imagine Valve going with something that will only run well on GeForce3+ systems.

What I think we *will* see is more static lightmaps, except much higher resolution and generated from a full radiosity computation (pretty much defacto standard these days).  Maybe a few Doom3-like goodies thrown in for people whose cards can handle them, but completely optional things... polybump normalmaps on characters to simulate higher polygon counts, a random scattering of pixelshader effects for water, reflections, etc...

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#84 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 19:37:24
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
When I play games with multiple disks in a cardboard sleeve, I swap cases with a game that has a proper 4- or 6-CD case.
#85 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-16 19:39:47
I am a graduate of a charter skool.

Bite me Eric.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#86 by Ergo
2003-04-16 19:40:05
#84 Shadarr
When I play games with multiple disks in a cardboard sleeve, I swap cases with a game that has a proper 4- or 6-CD case.

I bought one of those nylon cases that holds 120 CDs and keep all my most frequently accessed games in there. Freed up a whole lotta desk space.

Unneeded Editor -- Respawn Games

DVDs
#87 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 19:40:51
One thing I am doing is negotiating to get this piece of equiptment bought for me, if I go over.

English Teacher/Vice-President of A/V Services, Respawn Games
#88 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-16 19:41:59
erictcheng@hotmail.com
You know, I find that kind of wacky, no one really complained about Baldur's Gate needing 5 CDs.


I did.

It came out on the 5 CDs and Interplay said it wouldn't come out on DVD-ROM...only to have it come out on DVD-ROM six months later. Grrrr.

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#89 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 19:42:00
That Port Royal Eric linked to looks good. I want a good pirate game.

English Teacher/Vice-President of A/V Services, Respawn Games
#90 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-16 19:43:19
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Bite me Eric.


No thanks. I'm not touching that sore-infested skin of yours.

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#91 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 19:43:28
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Yarr!
#92 by CheesyPoof
2003-04-16 19:46:18
One thing I am doing is negotiating to get this piece of equiptment bought for me, if I go over.

Well, you gotta be able to post to PC during work anyway.  BTW, what the frig is a charter school?
#93 by Ashiran
2003-04-16 19:49:50
That Port Royal Eric linked to looks good. I want a good pirate game.

It is good, you can do all the stuff you can do in Pirates and a bunch more like building factories and setting up traderoutes (ships not included so you just have to "aquire" those).

#94 by Russ
2003-04-16 19:50:23
Creole Ned
What other haunts do some of youse hang out at? I've been reading the Quarter to Three forums lately.

Qt3 is good for getting a specific discussion of something new. They have a lot of gaming "journalists" over there. There are constantly new threads about new releases and their attendant problems. A few crappers post there, some posting more there than here. But, it's a completely different forum like you said. This place seems more like a disfunctional family, but the conversations are usually better.

You people need to work on your Bubble Bomb skills. I have a top score of 2682 and a 24 ball chain. Now I admit that I don't commonly get scores like this. The randomness sometimes gives a crap arrangement that leads to a sub-500 score.

There's two kinds of people in the world. People with guns and people who dig.
#95 by Ergo
2003-04-16 19:50:41
yotsuya--

I like this one better. It runs at 2.2 Ghz+ speeds and can last 6 hours on one battery.

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#96 by snowcrash-22
2003-04-16 19:59:49
snowcrash22@excite.com
About games.  Has there ever been a better time to be a value gamer?

Does my steadfast refusal to pay more than $25 any game (console or PC) mean that I am a hero by not rewarding rushed buggy releases? Or a villain by perpetuating the used game market, which doesn't put money into the hands of the game designers and developers.  Would I be considered a wise gamer for waiting on others to filter out the true game play gems from the shiny new idea (but ultimately unrewarding) releases.  Do the sales of "Greatest Hits" two years + after release have any positive reinforcement value on design decisions or is the publisher just shoring up sales projections with a few standbys?  Or am I a fool for lagging behind and just watching all the exciting Unreal II and Release of the month PC conversations.

Often I wish that the ICO sequel (and other really unique, game advancing titles) had been not cancelled due to poor sales of the original, but then the self loathing creeps in because I didn't max out the credit cards buying two copies for everybody in the office.   *Sigh* I really don't have $50 for a new game, what with the new mortgage and all.  

But I am enjoying my $6 copy of Homeworld:Cataclysm and the $14 Civ III (without a manual)...just a tiny little bit later than everyone else.
#97 by Russ
2003-04-16 20:06:22
I also just recently acquired Civ 3. Budget games are pretty much the only way for me. Not because of the money, but because I still feel the pain of being an early Black & White adopter.

There's two kinds of people in the world. People with guns and people who dig.
#98 by deadlock
2003-04-16 20:07:55
http://www.deadlocked.org/
I hadn't heard that about the ICO sequel snowcrash, that's a bit shite. ICO was a fantastic game - I don't mind the fact that it was short*, because I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity (though there are, of course, boundaries on that).

I'm also in the same position as you - I don't have the cash to upgrade my PC at the moment, so my PS2 has to fulfil my gaming requirements. Unfortunately, at 70 a pop (~$70), I can't buy games on a whim, so I have to be certain that a game is worth the cash before I lay it down. The two GTA3 games were absolutely the best value for money I've come across in that respect.

*It took me around nine hours to complete, with probably an extra two on top of that of unsaved progress. That's over the course of two or three months, because of the limited amount of time I have to actually play :-(

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#99 by BobJustBob
2003-04-16 20:10:53
I don't understand the appeal of Doom 3.

Most. Unwarranted. Hype. EVAR.
#100 by Dumdeedum
2003-04-16 20:18:37
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Speaking of Deus Ex 2, this article by one of the DX team was encouraging, not necessarily because the article was all that great (started skimming after a page or two) but because it suggests they're putting plenty of effort into detail.  And since attention to detail is what lifts a game from good to great I'm definitely hopeful.

The weekend starts here.
#101 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 20:19:13
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I tend to be a value-game shopper.  I occasionally buy a new game, but only if I've heard from numerous people that it's worth the money.  Because of Tiberian Sun.  It takes some of the fun out of shopping for games, but I waste less time on crap-festivals and thus have more fun overall.
#102 by Greg
2003-04-16 20:23:13
#99 BobJustBob

I don't understand the appeal of Doom 3.

Most. Unwarranted. Hype. EVAR.

Funny, but I don't think Doom 3 is that hyped. There was the leak a few months ago, but I haven't seen much about it recently.

blah blah bleh
#103 by Leslie Nassar
2003-04-16 20:25:21
http://departmentofinternets.com
i think that regardless of whether the hype is "official" or not, for people who enjoyed doom and doom2, the hype is warranted.

obdisclaimer:  i love america!
#104 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-16 20:27:17
supersimon33@hotmail.com
greg:

maybe not in the media, but there's some rabid fanboiism going on around the net

"You see, house is a feeling that no one can understand really unless you're deep into the vibe of house."
#105 by Matt Davis
2003-04-16 20:36:29
http://looroll.com
fanbois rant about the strangest things though.

Troll, troll, troll your post, gently down the page...
#106 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 20:37:50
A charter school is like a private school, but it is paid for with public funds.

English Teacher/Vice-President of A/V Services, Respawn Games
#107 by None-1a
2003-04-16 20:44:13
#70 by Charles
You know, I find that kind of wacky, no one really complained about Baldur's Gate needing 5 CDs.


But did BG drive the point about why shipping on so many disk is a bad idea home by doing console versions on DVD and charging more for a 5 disk pc version.

Shadarr EtM shouldn't need case swaping since it's supposed to be getting shipped in a DVD style case that can hold the disk (probably the primary reason for the added cost).
#108 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-16 20:56:04
I have no love for DOOM III, but a demo might change my appetite.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#109 by Mank
2003-04-16 20:58:50
#24
Anyone know the ETA on Max Payne 2?


Someone here knows, but he hasn't been posting lately


Crunch time? Holed up in some dark cave eating rice and giving/receiving wedgies/noogies to break the monotonous urge to choke the shit our of some publishing rep? heh

"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
#110 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-16 21:02:19
Lesbians and Ritz Crackers

One's a snack cracker, the other's a crack snacker.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#111 by Your Friend
2003-04-16 21:26:22
Maybe he was killed by the vast nvidia conspiracy that doesn't want people to know the truth about 3dmark2003.

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#112 by Russ
2003-04-16 21:41:22
Is Lords of Everquest licensing the Warcraft 3 engine? They sure look similar.

There's two kinds of people in the world. People with guns and people who dig.
#113 by Your Friend
2003-04-16 21:50:53

Is Lords of Everquest licensing the Warcraft 3 engine? They sure look similar.


Link?  

Could be that they are using the Soverign engine.  The actual client-side piece of that game was pretty far along before they canned it.

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#114 by JMCDaveL
2003-04-16 21:56:17
Probably in the way they "licensed" DikuMUD

--jmc
#115 by Greg
2003-04-16 22:04:54
#113 Your Friend


Is Lords of Everquest licensing the Warcraft 3 engine? They sure look similar.


Link?  

Could be that they are using the Soverign engine.  The actual client-side piece of that game was pretty far along before they canned it.

Here you go.

blah blah bleh
#116 by LoneStar
2003-04-16 22:17:34
cwcraig64@hotmail.com
About Dvd games. I had a friend build a kick ass system and he didn't put a dvd drive in it and I asked him why? He said he didn't watch dvd's on his computer, so he decided he didn't need one. Could things like this be why companies are afraid to release games on dvd's? On the other hand, if a kick ass game DID come out only on dvd, I bet it wouldn't take him long to buy one!

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one
#117 by Greg
2003-04-16 22:22:37
Everyone not having a CD-ROM didn't stop Myst from becoming one of the biggest sellings "games" ever.

Which makes me wonder exactly why publishers haven't embraced DVD. Every HP at Best Buy comes with a DVD and CD-R, so it isn't like DVDs are rare.

blah blah bleh
#118 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-16 22:33:55
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Greg: double that for 7Th Guest.

"You see, house is a feeling that no one can understand really unless you're deep into the vibe of house."
#119 by None-1a
2003-04-16 22:36:44
Greg two things. First even though most mainstream pre-builts come with a DVD drive most gamers tend to use a CD-rom/rw to cut cost. Second with most games not covering enough cd to equalize the unit costs and the ones that do people are willing to pay extra for (offsetting the lost they would have taken) there's just no reason to take the risk.
#120 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 22:39:28
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I bet if they ever get to a point where a game will take up 10 CDs, they'll ship it on DVD.  Probably with the Matrix game, they figured since Baldur's Gate did fine on 5, nobody would boycott their game for all the CDs.

Personally, I'd love it if games came on one DVD rather than multiple CDs.  I got a DVD drive in my last computer simply because it was only $20 more, and I figured it would come in handy at some point.
#121 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-16 22:44:37
I wish games still came on 5.25" floppies.  Those were the salad days.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#122 by Your Friend
2003-04-16 22:54:58
Quite a lot of Myst's success is due to the fact that it was shipped as an OEM game with an awful lot of CDROM drives.    Someone needs to make a very good, very mainstream game (The Sims II?) that is DVD only and strike up deals with lots of hardware manufacturers to include it as a bonus for DVD drives.  I'm sure it will happen within the next few years.

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