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I want a game discussion for a change.
April 16th 2003, 12:10 CEST by Charles

Let's talk about Deus Ex 2 or something.  Jesus fuck I'm tired of blabhlabhlahblahblahbalhb in everythread.  How about Planetside?  Or this.  Or we can talk about how the PS2's online is suffering due to cheating.  Maybe Microsoft's central servers and subscription service weren't a half bad idea.  We could talk about Soul Calibur 2 now that the import is available.  It's a lot of fun.  It's like Soul Calibur, except there is more!  Or maybe we could talk about how MGS2: Substance for the PC was only shipped on DVD media.  Do you like top down shooters?  Ikaruga is out for the Gamecube.  If you didn't play it for Dreamcast 6 months ago, it's worth checking out now.  Did anyone else finish Xenosaga?  Lots to talk about there.  Hey, we could talk about how Sony is releasing a new PS2 that's supposed to work more often than not.  Star Wars Galaxies has been delayed till June according to EB Games, leaving fanbois foaming at the mouth.  Anyone surprised about that?  Did you know that if your PS2 is having problems reading blue discs you can fix it with tape?  I'm not sure anyone mentioned that Gamecube sales are coming in just under half the expected numbers.  Of course, they've sold more GBAs than expected.  What do you think is going to be shown at E3?  Rumors are flying everywhere about everything, lets hear some of your ideas.  The one I like most is about a PS2 Castlevania.  I'm hoping for more info on Halo 2 as well.  

See?  We can still talk about games here.
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#55 by Foodbunny
2003-04-16 18:58:37
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Carmack did indeed say that Doom 3 wouldn't be showing at multiple E3s but I've since been informed that a private backroom showing doesn't count.  So we've got one big public Doom 3 extravaganza to go.

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#56 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 19:00:32
I agree with Cheesy. If I want to talk about games, I feel free enough to bring them up. If I want job advice, I feel free enough to bring it up here as well. I think that's cool. I've learned to be jaded enough here, but also to not take it so seriously, and I've rather enjoyed it here for the past few months.

Things I would bring up to talk about:

#1. The games I am looking forward to are all sequals.

#2. Should leave my public school teaching job to become an assistant principal at a charter school?

#3. What's next for the US, as far as international policy goes?

#4. Nicole Kidman: Hot or Not?

#5. Jafd: Fucker or sucker?

See. The variety is the appeal of PC.

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#57 by Ergo
2003-04-16 19:01:44
Shadarr--

GalCiv is very, very good.

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#58 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-16 19:05:20
#1. The games I am looking forward to are all sequals.

That's your problem.

#2. Should leave my public school teaching job to become an assistant principal at a charter school?

You'd be an idjit not 2

#3. What's next for the US, as far as international policy goes?

Down with Russia!

#4. Nicole Kidman: Hot or Not?

She's a frigid ghost with tiny tates.

#5. Jafd: Fucker or sucker?

In Bolivia, he's worshipped as a god.  A gay god, but a god nonetheless.

 Punchy Donk!

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
" If i ever have a daughter, I'm going to name her Trolly. - The_Joker
#59 by jjz
2003-04-16 19:07:07
Check it out, they're going to be showing US news in Iraq.  http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/5636585.htm.

Also, here's an essay on why we didn't get rid of Saddam the first time.  http://www.well.com/~bkoball/time_980302.jpg
#60 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-16 19:11:16
erictcheng@hotmail.com
#1. The games I am looking forward to are all sequals.


Port Royale: Gold, Power and Pirates. It looks like a contemporary version of Sid Meier's Pirates!.

#2. Should leave my public school teaching job to become an assistant principal at a charter school?


Which is better for your career? Which pays better?

#3. What's next for the US, as far as international policy goes?


Diplomatic dealings North Korea and Syria. Then again, Bush Jr. sucks at foreign affairs...

#4. Nicole Kidman: Hot or Not?


Hot.

#5. Jafd: Fucker or sucker?


Both. Two-way action.

See. The variety is the appeal of PC.


Since when?

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#61 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-16 19:12:29
quit copying me Eric Von Lesbian III Jr.

"..and Trolly McTroll is the best name EVER. I laugh every time I see it."  - ZEP
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#62 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-16 19:13:23
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Why do you bother posting, Trolly? Your posts are neither funny nor insulting.

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#63 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:13:32
www.bluh.org
Half Life 2 would be interesting, though I really hope they have Doom 3 level tech.  If not, I dunno.  Half Life was all about ambience the first time through, and Doom 3 / Deus Ex 2 / etc are upping the ante.  Regarding Doom 3's release date, Carmack said it would be possible to finish before E3.  A little different than declaring a ship date.  

There were also rumors a while back of MGS3, or whichever the Gamecube title will be.  I'm hoping to see that.  

If I were to hope for a suprise showing or announcement of a game, it'd be System Shock 3.  You just know it's in the pipe somewhere, what with Deus Ex 2 and Theif 3 using tech that would be so suited for it.  Or hell, even as a Doom 3 engine game.  I'm interested in seeing any doom 3 based game when it comes down to it.

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#64 by Caryn
2003-04-16 19:14:06
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#56 yotsuya

#2. Should leave my public school teaching job to become an assistant principal at a charter school?


YES!

Although I don't have any hands-on experience with charter schools, the principle of the charter school really appeals to me. Just think of the role you'll play in shaping education, and how you can implement it the way you feel it should. It's cliche, but it's a new frontier kind of thing. I heartily endorse it!

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#65 by Caryn
2003-04-16 19:15:04
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#62 Eric T. Cheng
Why do you bother posting, Trolly? Your posts are neither funny nor insulting.


Because it gets responses like the one above.

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#66 by Greg
2003-04-16 19:19:03
I am getting Ikaruga this week. I need a good shooter.

Planetside looks like it will have potential if you are able to find more than 5 people in a 20 minute span.

I like the idea of DVD PC games, 5 cds for a game without having a DVD equivalent is absurd.

I couldn't care less about SWG, and the GameCube has pretty much shot its load with Mario, Metroid and Zelda. Who knows, maybe E3 will bring some anticipated games.

blah blah bleh
#67 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 19:20:52
Caryn-

As a public school teacher, I used to think the same thing, until I got involved with the school as a board member. The freedom alone, along with the flexibility, is great, and your frontier cliche is not a bad one. If I stay here, I'll be doing the same thing I've done for the past 7 years. If I go, I'll be in charge of discipline, assessment, and educational technology (which is what my Masters is in).

There are pros and cons, but I'm leaning towards it.

And if you are ever in Phoenix and want to teach/guest speak, my door is always open to you.

English Teacher/Vice-President of A/V Services, Respawn Games
#68 by Ergo
2003-04-16 19:21:32
Word is that the PC version of the Matrix game will ship on 6 CDs. SIX.

Talk about needing DVD-format games.

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#69 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:22:10
www.bluh.org
Ikaruga is one of the few shooters I've played through to completion.  Visually, it's amazing, and the presentation is top notch.  Interesting gameplay mechanic with the black/white.  

A coworker has planetside, I've been meaning to shanghai his computer and give it a run.  I've heard it's just like tribes, and from some of the gameplay videos, it looks really similar.  If they do it right, I don't care though, Tribes was love.  I don't really see Planetside ousting BF1942 for my main online game though.

I want to try SWG out after they ship it and give it a few patches.  Curiousity because of the UO roots.  It could be entertaining, though I don't really expect star wars out of it.  No dark jedi?  Huuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#70 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:22:58
www.bluh.org
Word is that the PC version of the Matrix game will ship on 6 CDs. SIX.


You know, I find that kind of wacky, no one really complained about Baldur's Gate needing 5 CDs.

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#71 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 19:25:06
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Yotsuya,

I bet the reason the games you're looking forward to are all sequels is merely that those are the ones you know about.  I also predict there will be some non-sequels you enjoy this year, you just can't tell in advance which ones will live up to their own hype.  And, being a cynic, I further predict that at least one of the games you're looking forward to will disappoint you.
#72 by Caryn
2003-04-16 19:25:15
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#67 yotsuya
And if you are ever in Phoenix and want to teach/guest speak, my door is always open to you.


I'm in Phoenix (look! I spelled it right!) a lot since my sister-in-law lives there (we're probably headed that way for a 3-day weekend in May or so). Teaching? Nah, I'll leave that to the professionals. The tutoring I do is wonderful, and a lot of times it makes me realize that I may not have the stamina for teaching that I like to think I would have.

Guest speaking? Sure, I'll tell your kids how to leave a future in new discoveries for mankind for a life of video games. ;)

"That's an interesting viewpoint supported by many factual references, but you failed to note that I really don't care." - Bailey
#73 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 19:26:17
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Regarding the school, what are the cons?  Sounds like an easy choice to me.
#74 by LPMiller
2003-04-16 19:26:25
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
And if you are ever in Phoenix and want to teach/guest speak, my door is always open to you.


You'll be the first I contact when I put the finishing touches on my 5 hour seminar, "Donkey Punching Your Way to Financial Success"

I believe I can fly......urk.
#75 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:26:54
www.bluh.org
Hey, quit demeaning my industry!

Entertainment is far more important than sciences!

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#76 by Ashiran
2003-04-16 19:29:28
I don't really care what they are going to show at E3 as long as a substantial number of those games has beam weapons.

#77 by Greg
2003-04-16 19:29:33
#70 Charles

Word is that the PC version of the Matrix game will ship on 6 CDs. SIX.

You know, I find that kind of wacky, no one really complained about Baldur's Gate needing 5 CDs.

I was annoyed at BG needing 5 CDs, especially with the crummy packaging that scratched up the discs. Unlike this Matrix game, there eventually was a DVD version of BG. Too bad it wasn't released simultaneously...

blah blah bleh
#78 by LPMiller
2003-04-16 19:29:36
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If not for science, entertainment would consist of throwing rocks at other rocks to see if they break.

I believe I can fly......urk.
#79 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:33:33
www.bluh.org
If not for science, entertainment would consist of throwing rocks at other rocks to see if they break.


Actually... that's pretty close to science.

Yeah greg, the packaging sucked, blame interplay, they shipped a lot their crap in shitty cardboard sleeves.  Still, there wasn't all that much complaining from people about it.  The complaints consisted more about the fact that the game at 2 gigs of harddrive space at a time when people were using 5 gig drives.

Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#80 by Charles
2003-04-16 19:34:51
www.bluh.org
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Of course, this is only a minor technicality, as even when "properly elected" into office, a politician has as much chance of not having gotten there via corrupt means as Dubya has of spelling racecar backwards.  --UncleJeet
#81 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 19:35:35
Shad (et all)

The Cons:

-Since it's a charter school, the pay is not high. Financially, it's a lateral move.
-Added responsibilities and time commitment
-Lack of resources (school is only 2 years old)
-Crowded facilities
-I would be giving up 7 years of vested time in my current district
-Leaving behind friendships

The Pros:
-New Challenge
-Different educational role
-Know the community
-Could build a lot of programs I have always wanted to build
-Opportunity to be principal in a few years

I'll probably go, but I want to be sure.

English Teacher/Vice-President of A/V Services, Respawn Games
#82 by Ergo
2003-04-16 19:37:01
#70 Charles
Word is that the PC version of the Matrix game will ship on 6 CDs. SIX.


You know, I find that kind of wacky, no one really complained about Baldur's Gate needing 5 CDs.

I bought the DVD version when Interplay offered it.

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#83 by Your Friend
2003-04-16 19:37:07
I'm speaking out of my ass with nothing to back me up here (what else is new), but I'd guess Half-Life 2 will not have Doom3 level tech.  Considering how widely adopted Half-Life was -- in part because the system requirements were reasonable (even at time of release), I can't imagine Valve going with something that will only run well on GeForce3+ systems.

What I think we *will* see is more static lightmaps, except much higher resolution and generated from a full radiosity computation (pretty much defacto standard these days).  Maybe a few Doom3-like goodies thrown in for people whose cards can handle them, but completely optional things... polybump normalmaps on characters to simulate higher polygon counts, a random scattering of pixelshader effects for water, reflections, etc...

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#84 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 19:37:24
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When I play games with multiple disks in a cardboard sleeve, I swap cases with a game that has a proper 4- or 6-CD case.
#85 by Trolly McTroll
2003-04-16 19:39:47
I am a graduate of a charter skool.

Bite me Eric.

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#86 by Ergo
2003-04-16 19:40:05
#84 Shadarr
When I play games with multiple disks in a cardboard sleeve, I swap cases with a game that has a proper 4- or 6-CD case.

I bought one of those nylon cases that holds 120 CDs and keep all my most frequently accessed games in there. Freed up a whole lotta desk space.

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#87 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 19:40:51
One thing I am doing is negotiating to get this piece of equiptment bought for me, if I go over.

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#88 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-16 19:41:59
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You know, I find that kind of wacky, no one really complained about Baldur's Gate needing 5 CDs.


I did.

It came out on the 5 CDs and Interplay said it wouldn't come out on DVD-ROM...only to have it come out on DVD-ROM six months later. Grrrr.

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#89 by yotsuya
2003-04-16 19:42:00
That Port Royal Eric linked to looks good. I want a good pirate game.

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#90 by Eric T. Cheng
2003-04-16 19:43:19
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Bite me Eric.


No thanks. I'm not touching that sore-infested skin of yours.

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#91 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 19:43:28
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Yarr!
#92 by CheesyPoof
2003-04-16 19:46:18
One thing I am doing is negotiating to get this piece of equiptment bought for me, if I go over.

Well, you gotta be able to post to PC during work anyway.  BTW, what the frig is a charter school?
#93 by Ashiran
2003-04-16 19:49:50
That Port Royal Eric linked to looks good. I want a good pirate game.

It is good, you can do all the stuff you can do in Pirates and a bunch more like building factories and setting up traderoutes (ships not included so you just have to "aquire" those).

#94 by Russ
2003-04-16 19:50:23
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What other haunts do some of youse hang out at? I've been reading the Quarter to Three forums lately.

Qt3 is good for getting a specific discussion of something new. They have a lot of gaming "journalists" over there. There are constantly new threads about new releases and their attendant problems. A few crappers post there, some posting more there than here. But, it's a completely different forum like you said. This place seems more like a disfunctional family, but the conversations are usually better.

You people need to work on your Bubble Bomb skills. I have a top score of 2682 and a 24 ball chain. Now I admit that I don't commonly get scores like this. The randomness sometimes gives a crap arrangement that leads to a sub-500 score.

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#95 by Ergo
2003-04-16 19:50:41
yotsuya--

I like this one better. It runs at 2.2 Ghz+ speeds and can last 6 hours on one battery.

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#96 by snowcrash-22
2003-04-16 19:59:49
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About games.  Has there ever been a better time to be a value gamer?

Does my steadfast refusal to pay more than $25 any game (console or PC) mean that I am a hero by not rewarding rushed buggy releases? Or a villain by perpetuating the used game market, which doesn't put money into the hands of the game designers and developers.  Would I be considered a wise gamer for waiting on others to filter out the true game play gems from the shiny new idea (but ultimately unrewarding) releases.  Do the sales of "Greatest Hits" two years + after release have any positive reinforcement value on design decisions or is the publisher just shoring up sales projections with a few standbys?  Or am I a fool for lagging behind and just watching all the exciting Unreal II and Release of the month PC conversations.

Often I wish that the ICO sequel (and other really unique, game advancing titles) had been not cancelled due to poor sales of the original, but then the self loathing creeps in because I didn't max out the credit cards buying two copies for everybody in the office.   *Sigh* I really don't have $50 for a new game, what with the new mortgage and all.  

But I am enjoying my $6 copy of Homeworld:Cataclysm and the $14 Civ III (without a manual)...just a tiny little bit later than everyone else.
#97 by Russ
2003-04-16 20:06:22
I also just recently acquired Civ 3. Budget games are pretty much the only way for me. Not because of the money, but because I still feel the pain of being an early Black & White adopter.

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#98 by deadlock
2003-04-16 20:07:55
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I hadn't heard that about the ICO sequel snowcrash, that's a bit shite. ICO was a fantastic game - I don't mind the fact that it was short*, because I'm a firm believer in quality over quantity (though there are, of course, boundaries on that).

I'm also in the same position as you - I don't have the cash to upgrade my PC at the moment, so my PS2 has to fulfil my gaming requirements. Unfortunately, at 70 a pop (~$70), I can't buy games on a whim, so I have to be certain that a game is worth the cash before I lay it down. The two GTA3 games were absolutely the best value for money I've come across in that respect.

*It took me around nine hours to complete, with probably an extra two on top of that of unsaved progress. That's over the course of two or three months, because of the limited amount of time I have to actually play :-(

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#99 by BobJustBob
2003-04-16 20:10:53
I don't understand the appeal of Doom 3.

Most. Unwarranted. Hype. EVAR.
#100 by Dumdeedum
2003-04-16 20:18:37
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Speaking of Deus Ex 2, this article by one of the DX team was encouraging, not necessarily because the article was all that great (started skimming after a page or two) but because it suggests they're putting plenty of effort into detail.  And since attention to detail is what lifts a game from good to great I'm definitely hopeful.

The weekend starts here.
#101 by Shadarr
2003-04-16 20:19:13
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I tend to be a value-game shopper.  I occasionally buy a new game, but only if I've heard from numerous people that it's worth the money.  Because of Tiberian Sun.  It takes some of the fun out of shopping for games, but I waste less time on crap-festivals and thus have more fun overall.
#102 by Greg
2003-04-16 20:23:13
#99 BobJustBob

I don't understand the appeal of Doom 3.

Most. Unwarranted. Hype. EVAR.

Funny, but I don't think Doom 3 is that hyped. There was the leak a few months ago, but I haven't seen much about it recently.

blah blah bleh
#103 by Leslie Nassar
2003-04-16 20:25:21
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i think that regardless of whether the hype is "official" or not, for people who enjoyed doom and doom2, the hype is warranted.

obdisclaimer:  i love america!
#104 by Gunp01nt
2003-04-16 20:27:17
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greg:

maybe not in the media, but there's some rabid fanboiism going on around the net

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